GovLoop - Knowledge Network for Government

Training and Development

Information

Training and Development

Questions, answers and discussions about training credibility in the work place, training to improve performance, training to motivate and facilitate team building. Leadership Training.

Members: 124
Latest Activity: Jul 8

Computers and Essays in Training - Are Essays Important in Training and Can Computers Grade Them?

Discussion Forum

What do you do to advertise your training?

Started by Chris King Jul 8. 0 Replies

I recently replied to a post from Christine Steger over on the e-Learning Group about the need for a …Continue

Tags: e-learning, training, communications

Be Subtle at Selling Your Services or Yourself

Started by Jack Shaw Jul 23, 2013. 0 Replies

I played tennis when I was much younger. I used to go off by myself and practice serves in a local court. One day, an older woman in her sixties was watching me play.“You need some help badly.”Was I…Continue

FREE Career Planning Guide and Workbook for federal Employees

Started by Dennis V. Damp May 31, 2013. 0 Replies

What separates those who want to improve and progress in their careers from those who actually achieve success? The fact is that it’s not enough to dream about promotions, great new jobs, and higher…Continue

Tags: careers, IDP, training, mobility, upward

Navigating the Training Labyrinth

Started by Jack Shaw Mar 1, 2013. 0 Replies

See the following link:…Continue

Training and Development, Free Management Library

Loading… Loading feed

Comment Wall

Comment

You need to be a member of Training and Development to add comments!

Comment by Jack Shaw on October 19, 2013 at 3:07pm

What has happened to training with the government shut-down and now that things are relatively back to normal?

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 23, 2013 at 2:05pm

I ran across the comment on my article The Anatomy of a Trainer. Basically, the main idea was to say trainers can come from anywhere in the organization. I did compare would be trainers are noticed like leaders, but being junior makes training a good place for them and I applaud the idea that trainers should represent the company and the CEO at every training session. The employees see that. What do you think?

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 21, 2013 at 2:40pm

One of the gentlemen in my class, a very large gentlemen, came up to me at the very first of class and said, "You flunked me on the group project, and I didn't deserve it." He walked away, head bowed. I said, "Tell me what you said in the group discussion." He just shook his head and said, "It don't matter." "This is a communication class. Convince me."

He started to walk away, then turned back to me and told me almost word for word what he had said in the discussion group in front of the whole class. He won. I gave him a better grade. Not only that, his persuasive speech that day was the best in the class on a subject I told him could be hard to sell as a persuasive speech. Made my day.

The hammer has come down gently and I was expecting a persuasive speech from my students. Instead I was getting a lot slanted and entertaining informational speeches, but those students were saying I wish I could do it over and I knew they would come back and do it over and do it right. In truth, some of the PowerPoints were awful, but some terrific. I graded them more on how they handled a situation. In fairness, they still took on subjects close to home, we'll tackle outside the comfort zone another day.

Comment by Carol Davison on June 18, 2013 at 3:41pm

Sounds like you did well.  I fear that our "build their self esteem culture" paired with VA benefits at for profit schools (meaing they can't afford to fail you) will produce nothing but big bills for students leaving them worse off than they wore before. 

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 18, 2013 at 3:38pm

Carol, Not to out do you, but I left home at 15, worked and stayed in school, went to college for awhile, joined the Marines, got out a Sergeant, went to work in radio and TV doing commercials mostly while I went back to college, then joined the USAF as a public affairs officer, got out as a Major. My choice. I had had all the interesting jobs.Then went Reserves and civil service for a while.

I'm committed through August with DeVry. Sometimes the reality of the proprietary schools like this one hit me. I think what disturbs me more is that the students are victims in their own way, and perpetuating what's going, and staff and professors fully believe they are helping. And, we do help a few, who should be somewhere else. The schools offer subjects many colleges and universities these students could dream of getting into. I had an offer once to teach at a private women's college, but they had to close before I got to work. I would have liked that, but then you and I wouldn't have this conversation and a lot of things would be different in my life that I wouldn't want to change. I think you're right, Carol. Maybe, it's time I got off my white horse. I have some ideas brewing.

Comment by Carol Davison on June 18, 2013 at 3:07pm

Jack I feel your pain.  I left home as a 17 year old 97 pound girl.  Loved, loved, loved working with the top half of the top 1% of the USAF in Security Service (think Intelligence managed from a M*A*S*H perspective).  But I've worked with too many that can't be bothered, or want to be promoted without accomplishing anything.  After a while we realize that we can only do so much and then we need to move on.  I believe that you are doing a disservice giving grades to people if they don't deserve them.  Recently I got back in touch with my USAFSS buddies and followed my bliss there.   If what you are doing isn't bringing you joy, maybe you need to do something else.  Regarding your vets, I was blessed with working with smart, unconventional people.  I'm disappointed that the yours are conducting themselves and performing.  People don't develop character or competence just because they got older or served in the military. Just today I heard that several Naval Academy Mids are being accused of sex charges.  How can we expect the little people to perform well when the model people who have been given great privilege and responsibility behave like they do?  We don't have the models in church/state/school that we did when I was growing up. 

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 18, 2013 at 9:17am

"My compromise with not acting: I'm going to do an audio link for my training blogs. Wondering if anyone has done that on a co-op basis."

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 14, 2013 at 5:34pm

Thanks for the kind words, Susan. Like telling students "i" is not a word? There was a time I felt I could really make the change and inspire these students, but it's wearing on me. Especially in this location. I feel I am competing with propaganda, and not real world scenarios. Many students don't seem to care as long as the grant money keeps coming in. I see a difference in the suburbs, where I usually teach. I teach speech, sometimes English and I'm qualified for psychology as well.

I think I'm going to push for community colleges if I want to continue teaching or continue writing novels instead of talking about it. I love teaching, but every once in awhile I see the level of student and the proprietary school. I don't think it would be as bad teaching at a community college for four year state institution; I haven't even filled out an application. BTW, I have 18 students not fingers. :)

At the time (2012), teaching was a new road, I had some experience teaching at the USAF Academy and I had just undergone treatment for tongue and throat cancer that basically left me with little power to continue an acting or public speaking career, but I could teach. Now, I'm back doing theatre critiques and writing as you know on training and development. I'm actually thinking about doing audio links to both, and if I can set up a studio arrangement I may do audiobooks as well. That was the plan for 2012. Teaching at my closer campus (I live in Haddonfield, NJ, outside of Philadelphia) in July, but I'll be exploring other options.

Comment by Susan Thomas on June 14, 2013 at 5:00pm

To Jack:

 

I feel your pain.  I wish I had answers for you.  Teaching is a tough profession and you are brave to tackle it.  Technology is great but too many people have used it as a crutch.  Even basic writing is a lost art.  I think the ability to communicate is extremely important.  Some people apparently do not. 

Writing is not a skill that should be put on the back burner.  Employers think it is important. 

Comment by Jack Shaw on June 14, 2013 at 4:35pm

I am just finishing teaching a public speaking class in the inner city. Is it me or are they so focused on themselves they don't reach out for any subject outside of their comfort zone or something they don't already know. What are the high schools teaching these students (and they aren't all kids)? Certainly not to read and write. We do have a remedial program.

I got through High School sometimes doing just enough like they did, but eventually I got it. To succeed I needed to get out of my comfort zone, and once I did that I found a new world to explore and there was never going back. I left home at 15 so my life wasn't much easier than theirs and I worked to get through high school and college on my own. Some will skip assignments because they can't read very well and don't write well, and I'm pretty sure I'm getting some work that is just cut and pasted. Pretty much plagiarism. I could just fail him, but it could only hurt--so I warn him and he stops writing again. He does the speeches and if he's lucky he'll get a "D."

Believe it or not, I am actually a pretty dynamic teacher (theatre background and all), but I'm probably too nice a guy. I can count on one hand the students who could make it community or regular college, and I have 18.

I'm probably more angry at the school than I am this particular student or others who shouldn't be here. I sure would like to see the books of these proprietary schools and the success rate of students actually getting to work in their field of study--not McDonalds--and yes, I know the current statistics. These proprietary schools are ripping off the government and the students who can't afford it, and can't do the work. I don't even have a question anymore. Any thoughts?

To Carol: I have a couple vets here. One is an okay student. He is in an IT program. The other is retired enlisted and he has an attitude and I don't think he'd make it beyond community college. Know it all.

 

Members (124)

 
 
 

© 2014   Created by GovLoop.

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service