,

Alpha conversation

This is how conversations work, or rather how one conversation played out on twitter this morning. Tricky subject, no right answer, constructive discussion.* But perhaps most important of all, those issues are being discussed in public for a government proof of concept which hasn’t yet even been launched. It is that which is more radical and, for the long term, more valuable than the issue at hand.

#bbpBox_66601635773816832 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66601635773816832 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

Reading @‘s great, honest post on accessibility of @: http://helpful.im/lNFUSj. Spot on.

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66811986079526912 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66811986079526912 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ @ I’ve massively mixed feelings on this – asked someone at @ about it recently actually

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66812267047567360 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66812267047567360 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ @ it’s a point of principle as affects so many whereas if treated as a ‘nice 2 have’ will always remain marginal

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66812594232627201 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66812594232627201 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ @ I’m waiting for the best developers to make a stand for v clever ways to make web designed for all as standard

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66812681134407680 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66812681134407680 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ too many would try and box-tick in that situation. That, and on IE6, is a mark of team’s thoughtfulness and courage

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66812998827786240 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66812998827786240 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

#bbpBox_66813302117904385 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66813302117904385 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ assuming that none of the clients in round one have that need right? Your point on ie6 says it all – not the same thing

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66451678064418816 a { text-decoration:none; color:#213b73; }#bbpBox_66451678064418816 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

(Hoping this post comes over as intended) Accessibility / usability too important to be left to box-ticking: http://bit.ly/iTcavN #alphagov

@memespring

Richard Pope

#bbpBox_66814202580439040 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66814202580439040 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ Don’t think team saying it’s just add-on. Too many in gov believe making things accessible is just a tick in box

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66814519372025856 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66814519372025856 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ and to be fair, it’s accessible in whole new ways (content, UI, orientation cues) often overlooked.

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66814676482265088 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66814676482265088 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ they have/had the chance to change that forever and show smart ways round it. We’re talking a huge minority client grp here.

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66814584442466304 a { text-decoration:none; color:#213b73; }#bbpBox_66814584442466304 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ don’t worry – launch next week is only the beginning + underpinnings are pretty good I think

@memespring

Richard Pope

#bbpBox_66814846829723648 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66814846829723648 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ I think skipping IE6 is courageous given primarily internal audience for alpha. Shows willingness to think more deeply.

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66815245527683073 a { text-decoration:none; color:#1F98C7; }#bbpBox_66815245527683073 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ Srsly, it’s an early alpha. It’s not a Directgov replacement for a while (years?) yet. Team know can’t go into prod as-is.

@lesteph

Steph Gray

#bbpBox_66815478689042432 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66815478689042432 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ I mostly agree on ie6 although think you’re overstating courage vs pragmatism

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66818761667264512 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_66818761667264512 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ am interested in what call you would have made wrt @ accessibility.

@tomskitomski

Tom Loosemore

#bbpBox_66819349347958786 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66819349347958786 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ trust me I’m not a technical expert on accessibility but I know some amazing ppl who are and hope we can bring in?

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66820128590925825 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_66820128590925825 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ we’re not short of accessibility experts. We were short of time & wanted maximise core product iteration

@tomskitomski

Tom Loosemore

#bbpBox_66820623711735809 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66820623711735809 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ @ @ I understand, just hoping for a world that comes from a ‘design for all’ point of principle from start

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66820795644657664 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0084B4; }#bbpBox_66820795644657664 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ still interested if u wld have insisted @ fully accessible at launch. I made that call – am open to being wrong

@tomskitomski

Tom Loosemore

#bbpBox_66821356389539840 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66821356389539840 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ I think I would but not along lines of standard govt accessibility but broke the mold.Mind timescales v restrictive as u say!

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

#bbpBox_66821983081472000 a { text-decoration:none; color:#0000FF; }#bbpBox_66821983081472000 a:hover { text-decoration:underline; }

@ one day hopefully all tech will make it impossible to build in accessibly as should be integral. Voice stuff sounds cool mind.

@dominiccampbell

Dominic Campbell

* It is the nature of twitter discussions that there was more to it than this, but from what I could see, this was the core thread of the conversation.


Original post

Leave a Comment

Leave a comment

Leave a Reply